Family Files February 2022 - Person Sheet
Family Files February 2022 - Person Sheet
NamePaula L. BERGHORN 
, F
, FFatherFerdinand Henry BERGHORN Jr. , M (1919-2016)
MotherMadeline Amanda SERDAR , F (1916-1993)
Misc. Notes
8 cM across 2 segments. with pb, matches with RW
“I administer a bunch of my family members’ DNA results, and I see you show up in the match lists of quite a few of us - BA is my 1st cousin. I see you also match his mom VS and his sisters CA and JA, as well as me -(politotree). Based on which of my family members you match, there's no doubt your connection to us is thru VS's parents, my grandparents, who were both Croatian. Serdar was my mom's maiden name. I haven't gotten any males to take a YDNA test yet. Paula (POLITICO)”
Here's a little family background. My Serdar ggpa had 2 sons, my grandfather Pavao and his brother Dane. VS and AS (my aunts Vi and Anne) are Pavao’s daughters, and DR (David Richard Sedar) and Antonia Carich are Dane’s grandchildren. Sedar is just a spelling variation of Serdar. Every other relative of mine who you match on this site is a generation or more further away from my Serdar ggpa:
LM is aunt Anne’s daughter. SM and GS are uncle Sam Robert’s kids. PJ is a grandson of another uncle (Sam, Vi, and Anne’s brother), and JS is PJ's son. SD, RB, AD, KD, RG, and RS, are all nieces and nephews of David Richard, and lastly Simeona Gluscevic is Antonia’s granddaughter.
‘AS managed by mbearwald’ is a different Serdar family in Waukegan - I have no idea, yet, how they're related to us. The person who manages 2 of your Distant matches, LMPMO, is a good friend of mine and a DNA cousin. JA is her brother and EP is her aunt. LMPMO’s ggpa (EP’s gpa), was Joso Vucic-Juratic. Notice his hyphenated surname !! You should contact LMPMO - she can fill you in on where that surname came from.
From your FTDNA shared matches with uncle Sam Robert, Brian Daniel Japuntich is a DNA match I’ve been in touch with for a long time, but don't yet know how we're connected. J Serdar is my cousin, and father of PJ in your Ancestry matches. D Serdar is another cousin, uncle Sam Robert’s son. I have not been in touch with any of my uncle’s matches, altho I see a lot who I eventually do want to reach out to. My attention these days is being pulled in a lot of directions.
Do you have a match to Larry Edwards ? His father was adopted, so he’s searching for that family. His closest match to my family is one of my aunts at 25cM (4th cousin). I was glancing thru his family tree the other day and discovered he has both Koncar’s and Muskolin’s listed !! He added my Serdar family to his tree some time ago.
What did you mean “I match Y-DNA with ...” ? Females don’t have a Y chromosome. I assume you meant that your male family member who provided the DNA sample, has an autosomal DNA match to a man who happens to share the same Y-DNA haplogroup. Do they also share the same surname ? As you know, typically 2 males who share one, share both (surname/haplogroup), unless there's been an adoption, or what geneogists call an NPE, or a surname change for some other reason.
I think you're getting confused in your research because you're trying to use Y-DNA, X-DNA, and mtDNA to determine family connections. Genealogists agree that is not practical - that autosomal DNA is what people should use to search for family connections and common ancestors.
Are you familiar with, for example, how Y-DNA is passed from one generation to the next ? If not, here’s a fan chart that might help.
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This chart has one box for each ancestor a person has, going back 7 generations from the center. The outer ring represents all 128 pairs of 5th great-grandparents a person has. The 7 blue boxes represent the *only* path, of all those on the chart, that Y-DNA can be passed down all the way from the 5th ggpa of the person at the center to that person’s father. If that person is a male, he *will* inherit that Y-DNA from his father, but if that person is a female, she will *not* inherit it. It can only get passed down to a brother, if there is one.
Let’s say this chart represents the 7 generations of your Bunyard grandfather’s ancestors. Then the smallest blue box in the outer ring represents his Bunyard 5th great-grandfather - his only 5th great grandfather out of 128 who he could have inherited the Y-DNA haplogroup E from. Some of his other 127 5th great-grandfathers (in the outer ring) may also have had this haplogroup, but *none* of their Y-DNA was able to reach your grandfather. All those other paths included at least one female who automatically interrupted that Y-DNA from reaching him.
“I administer a bunch of my family members’ DNA results, and I see you show up in the match lists of quite a few of us - BA is my 1st cousin. I see you also match his mom VS and his sisters CA and JA, as well as me -(politotree). Based on which of my family members you match, there's no doubt your connection to us is thru VS's parents, my grandparents, who were both Croatian. Serdar was my mom's maiden name. I haven't gotten any males to take a YDNA test yet. Paula (POLITICO)”
Here's a little family background. My Serdar ggpa had 2 sons, my grandfather Pavao and his brother Dane. VS and AS (my aunts Vi and Anne) are Pavao’s daughters, and DR (David Richard Sedar) and Antonia Carich are Dane’s grandchildren. Sedar is just a spelling variation of Serdar. Every other relative of mine who you match on this site is a generation or more further away from my Serdar ggpa:
LM is aunt Anne’s daughter. SM and GS are uncle Sam Robert’s kids. PJ is a grandson of another uncle (Sam, Vi, and Anne’s brother), and JS is PJ's son. SD, RB, AD, KD, RG, and RS, are all nieces and nephews of David Richard, and lastly Simeona Gluscevic is Antonia’s granddaughter.
‘AS managed by mbearwald’ is a different Serdar family in Waukegan - I have no idea, yet, how they're related to us. The person who manages 2 of your Distant matches, LMPMO, is a good friend of mine and a DNA cousin. JA is her brother and EP is her aunt. LMPMO’s ggpa (EP’s gpa), was Joso Vucic-Juratic. Notice his hyphenated surname !! You should contact LMPMO - she can fill you in on where that surname came from.
From your FTDNA shared matches with uncle Sam Robert, Brian Daniel Japuntich is a DNA match I’ve been in touch with for a long time, but don't yet know how we're connected. J Serdar is my cousin, and father of PJ in your Ancestry matches. D Serdar is another cousin, uncle Sam Robert’s son. I have not been in touch with any of my uncle’s matches, altho I see a lot who I eventually do want to reach out to. My attention these days is being pulled in a lot of directions.
Do you have a match to Larry Edwards ? His father was adopted, so he’s searching for that family. His closest match to my family is one of my aunts at 25cM (4th cousin). I was glancing thru his family tree the other day and discovered he has both Koncar’s and Muskolin’s listed !! He added my Serdar family to his tree some time ago.
What did you mean “I match Y-DNA with ...” ? Females don’t have a Y chromosome. I assume you meant that your male family member who provided the DNA sample, has an autosomal DNA match to a man who happens to share the same Y-DNA haplogroup. Do they also share the same surname ? As you know, typically 2 males who share one, share both (surname/haplogroup), unless there's been an adoption, or what geneogists call an NPE, or a surname change for some other reason.
I think you're getting confused in your research because you're trying to use Y-DNA, X-DNA, and mtDNA to determine family connections. Genealogists agree that is not practical - that autosomal DNA is what people should use to search for family connections and common ancestors.
Are you familiar with, for example, how Y-DNA is passed from one generation to the next ? If not, here’s a fan chart that might help.
<IMG_7226.jpeg>
This chart has one box for each ancestor a person has, going back 7 generations from the center. The outer ring represents all 128 pairs of 5th great-grandparents a person has. The 7 blue boxes represent the *only* path, of all those on the chart, that Y-DNA can be passed down all the way from the 5th ggpa of the person at the center to that person’s father. If that person is a male, he *will* inherit that Y-DNA from his father, but if that person is a female, she will *not* inherit it. It can only get passed down to a brother, if there is one.
Let’s say this chart represents the 7 generations of your Bunyard grandfather’s ancestors. Then the smallest blue box in the outer ring represents his Bunyard 5th great-grandfather - his only 5th great grandfather out of 128 who he could have inherited the Y-DNA haplogroup E from. Some of his other 127 5th great-grandfathers (in the outer ring) may also have had this haplogroup, but *none* of their Y-DNA was able to reach your grandfather. All those other paths included at least one female who automatically interrupted that Y-DNA from reaching him.